{"id":5585,"date":"2022-07-17T18:17:19","date_gmt":"2022-07-17T18:17:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/?p=5585"},"modified":"2022-07-17T18:17:19","modified_gmt":"2022-07-17T18:17:19","slug":"451-the-bethel-hillsong-music-controversy","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/451-the-bethel-hillsong-music-controversy\/","title":{"rendered":"#451: The Bethel\/Hillsong Music Controversy"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>This is <i>mark Joseph &#8220;young&#8221;<\/i> blog entry #451, on the subject of <i>The Bethel\/Hillsong Music Controversy<\/i>.<\/p>\n<p>A long time friend asked me via Facebook private message:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>You would most likely know about this.&nbsp; I just watched a debate over Bethel and Hillsong music being played in worship services.&nbsp; Since I am unfamiliar with them I could not follow the debate.&nbsp; Perhaps you could shed some light on this.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Quite honestly I have not followed the details, and my friend might be better informed on this than I; but I think there are points worth considering.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/img0451Bethel.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/img0451Bethel-300x241.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"241\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-5586\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/img0451Bethel-300x241.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/07\/img0451Bethel.jpg 385w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>There are of course those who object to using contemporary music for worship at all.&nbsp; I encounter these arguments frequently, and there isn&#8217;t really any substance to them.&nbsp; Some say that the contemporary music sullies the holy message, but the Reformers and the leaders during the Great Awakenings all used secular songs, usually <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=63VWogffPOI\">bawdy songs sung in bars<\/a>, to set Christian words and make our hymns.&nbsp; Some argue that most contemporary songs aren&#8217;t very good, but that&#8217;s true in every era, and to some degree time is the test as most of the songs that aren&#8217;t good are forgotten and some of those which are survive.&nbsp; In the end, the contemporary songs of the present are the great worship songs of the past in the future.<\/p>\n<p>But it is specifically the songs of these two groups that are the target of this objection, and they have something in common:&nbsp; they are worship bands from very large churches.&nbsp; Thus the question becomes whether their churches taint their music, or more specifically their lyrics.<\/p>\n<p>The first question in this is of course whether the churches themselves are heretical.&nbsp; That&#8217;s not an easy question.&nbsp; After all, there are Catholics who think Baptists are heretical, and Baptists who think the same about Catholics.&nbsp; Yet both groups have produced wonderful worshipful music over the centuries, and even have borrowed from each other.&nbsp; Some would paint the entire Charismatic\/Pentecostal world as heretical, others as the fruit of the Third Great Awakening.&nbsp; As a wise Quaker reportedly said to his best friend, &#8220;Everyone&#8217;s a little queer &#8216;cept me and thee, and sometimes I&#8217;m not so sure of thee.&#8221;&nbsp; Many would label the entire Prosperity Gospel movement heretical, but others would say they&#8217;re just a bit misguided, and obviously there are many who believe their message.&nbsp; At the same time, behind the first question is the question, does that matter?<\/p>\n<p>It leads to the second question, which is, does the supposed heresy of the church impact the lyrics?&nbsp; That is, do these songs preach or teach a false message?&nbsp; That is a more difficult question.&nbsp; After all, there are a plethora of songs about the pre-millenial return of Christ, most of them pre-tribulation, and while that&#8217;s a popular view <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/bible\/becker.htm\">it&#8217;s not necessarily the true one<\/a>.&nbsp; Every once in a while I hear a song that recalls the submission and discipleship theology of the 70s, and I usually turn it off.&nbsp; How wrong does a song have to be to be a problem?&nbsp; I heard one person object that most contemporary songs aren&#8217;t about Jesus about but about my relationship with Jesus&#8211;but if we are to sing spiritual songs in addition to psalms and hymns, would that not be included?&nbsp; Songs that clearly teach a false belief should be discouraged, but I&#8217;m not aware that the songs from these bands do that.&nbsp; Singing songs which are theologically sound popularized by bands from churches which are not is not in itself a problem.<\/p>\n<p>However, there is one other potential objection, which is whether singing or otherwise promoting the songs themselves promotes the ministry behind them.&nbsp; When songs by Hillsong or Bethel get heavy airplay and rise on the charts through sales, this means money into the pockets of the ministry and exposure to a wider audience.&nbsp; If there is some egregious error promulgated by these ministries, even if it doesn&#8217;t show in their music, supporting the music might help promote the error.&nbsp; Those who think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints a heresy rightly hesitate to listen to Christmas albums from the Mormon Tabernacle Choir, because the purchase helps fund the church.<\/p>\n<p>That, though, brings us back to the first question:&nbsp; are these ministries in some way heretical?&nbsp; I don&#8217;t have the answer to that question.&nbsp; Further, I don&#8217;t know that I need the answer.&nbsp; I am not in a position to influence what songs are sung in any local church, or played on local radio stations; I don&#8217;t buy music or subscribe to a streaming service, so I&#8217;m only going to hear these songs if one of the local stations plays it.&nbsp; That does happen, and although I do hear songs on the radio which I wouldn&#8217;t clear for airplay were I programming, I don&#8217;t think any of those are from the groups in question.<\/p>\n<p>Just to be clear, if I were involved in leading local worship or programming a radio station, this is a question I would seek to answer.&nbsp; The answer would matter to me in that case.&nbsp; But that&#8217;s their job, and I have my own obligations.&nbsp; If they think it&#8217;s all right to play, I&#8217;ll trust that they are aware of the controversy and took the time to address the questions.<\/p><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is mark Joseph &#8220;young&#8221; blog entry #451, on the subject of The Bethel\/Hillsong Music Controversy. A long time friend asked me via Facebook private message: You would most likely know about this.&nbsp; I just watched a debate over Bethel and Hillsong music being played in worship services.&nbsp; Since I am unfamiliar with them I &hellip; <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/451-the-bethel-hillsong-music-controversy\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">#451: The Bethel\/Hillsong Music Controversy<\/span> <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[9,42],"tags":[32,31,36,11,45],"class_list":["post-5585","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-bible-and-theology","category-music","tag-end-times","tag-eschatology","tag-magic","tag-marriage","tag-ministry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5585","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5585"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5585\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5587,"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5585\/revisions\/5587"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5585"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5585"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.mjyoung.net\/weblog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5585"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}